I'm not enraged, really, but I slept horribly last night, mostly because I spent too much time thinking of ways they could bring Ianto back to life. (I mean, it's the Whoniverse; it wouldn't be hard.) I'm going to be heartbroken if they don't fix this.
(Oh, FFS, I just edited the wrong comment. Sorry, Cori! That was meant for Fox.)
Yeah, most people I've talked to slept badly last night. Me included, though I still have enough of a cold that I probably wouldn't have slept well even if I hadn't also been running fix-it scenarios in my head! Go back to 1965, Jack!
The MASH comparison wasn't mine, but it sounds apt. That was how I rationalized Tosh and Owen's deaths last season - not everyone can have a happy ending, and that was about the happiest either of them had been in a while. They had good endings, even if they weren't happy.
But with Ianto, it just felt like--dare I say it?--overkill. Not everyone gets a happy ending, but when *nobody* gets a happy ending, that's going too far in the opposite direction for me.
That's pretty much what I said to Fox--I understand why Ianto died, but RTD is getting predictable. When someone dies in every series finale, it's not any better than no one ever dying.
Not everyone gets a happy ending, but when *nobody* gets a happy ending, that's going too far in the opposite direction for me.
I always thought Joss Whedon was out-clevering himself by *never* allowing a happy couple to last. That's just as predictable and uninteresting as everybody living happily ever after.
The tendency to think that "dark" stories are automatically better and more real than happier stories irritates me in fandom, and it doesn't irritate me any less in canon.
"The tendency to think that "dark" stories are automatically better and more real than happier stories irritates me in fandom, and it doesn't irritate me any less in canon. "
Hear, hear. I stopped reading several mystery authors who had -- amazing! -- women in stable if imperfect relationships. There must've been something in the water; in one year three different authors killed off their main character's main man.
It's gone back to the 'girl of the week' nonsense that plagued TV drama in the 60's and 70's -- what I new as the "Cartwright Syndrome" from Bonanza. A widower with 3 sons... and if any of them started showing interest in a girl, you might as well start measuring her for her coffin.
Y'know, in a way I wonder if that contributed to slash fic. When the only chance an appealing character has for a lasting relationship is with his partner....
I think the kill-em-off syndrome is a sign of weak writing. It's a lot harder to write a lasting, committed relationship and keep it interesting.
Yes, I definitely agree with you about Joss, too. And I've had that problem with the perception of "dark" and "edgy" stories for, oh, about a decade now, ever since Sports Night fandom took a turn for the unhappy.
The struggle for happiness is a very real part of the human condition, and to think that we must always necessarily lose that fight makes for a very depressing (and unrealistic) universe.
Believe it or not, I actually agree with you. What's unrealistic (and boring, in fiction) is not having to struggle at all to be happy. But struggling and prevaling isn't unrealistic! It happens all the time.
It does! And I dislike the message that no matter how hard you struggle, you're doomed. I dislike it in general, but I relate a lot to some of Ianto's struggles, so I have an exceptional dislike for it in this case!
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Date: 2009-07-10 02:43 pm (UTC)I'm not enraged, really, but I slept horribly last night, mostly because I spent too much time thinking of ways they could bring Ianto back to life. (I mean, it's the Whoniverse; it wouldn't be hard.) I'm going to be heartbroken if they don't fix this.
(Oh, FFS, I just edited the wrong comment. Sorry, Cori! That was meant for Fox.)
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Date: 2009-07-10 03:03 pm (UTC)The MASH comparison wasn't mine, but it sounds apt. That was how I rationalized Tosh and Owen's deaths last season - not everyone can have a happy ending, and that was about the happiest either of them had been in a while. They had good endings, even if they weren't happy.
But with Ianto, it just felt like--dare I say it?--overkill. Not everyone gets a happy ending, but when *nobody* gets a happy ending, that's going too far in the opposite direction for me.
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Date: 2009-07-10 03:09 pm (UTC)*counts minutes till 10pm UK time*
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Date: 2009-07-10 03:31 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-10 03:38 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-10 03:10 pm (UTC)I always thought Joss Whedon was out-clevering himself by *never* allowing a happy couple to last. That's just as predictable and uninteresting as everybody living happily ever after.
The tendency to think that "dark" stories are automatically better and more real than happier stories irritates me in fandom, and it doesn't irritate me any less in canon.
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Date: 2009-07-10 03:34 pm (UTC)"
Hear, hear. I stopped reading several mystery authors who had -- amazing! -- women in stable if imperfect relationships. There must've been something in the water; in one year three different authors killed off their main character's main man.
It's gone back to the 'girl of the week' nonsense that plagued TV drama in the 60's and 70's -- what I new as the "Cartwright Syndrome" from Bonanza. A widower with 3 sons... and if any of them started showing interest in a girl, you might as well start measuring her for her coffin.
Y'know, in a way I wonder if that contributed to slash fic. When the only chance an appealing character has for a lasting relationship is with his partner....
I think the kill-em-off syndrome is a sign of weak writing. It's a lot harder to write a lasting, committed relationship and keep it interesting.
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Date: 2009-07-10 07:12 pm (UTC)Hear, hear. Both the "kill-em-off" syndrome and the "endless will-they-or-won't-they" syndrome.
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Date: 2009-07-10 03:38 pm (UTC)The struggle for happiness is a very real part of the human condition, and to think that we must always necessarily lose that fight makes for a very depressing (and unrealistic) universe.
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Date: 2009-07-10 08:19 pm (UTC)-J
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Date: 2009-07-10 08:49 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-10 03:01 pm (UTC)Vast doses of doubtless-soon-to-be-written fix-it and/or AU fanfiction?
A vow never to watch anything Davies ever writes again?
...to the streets of Cardiff with torches and pitchforks?
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Date: 2009-07-10 03:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-10 03:22 pm (UTC)The fire started in an airduct, too. Hmmm....
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Date: 2009-07-10 03:35 pm (UTC)A swing at Mr Davies? I'll hold your coat!
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Date: 2009-07-10 03:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-10 05:27 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-10 06:05 pm (UTC)Ahhh, that's nice.