freakin' fanon....
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corilannamI just deleted a huge rant about the extremely popular Poor!Obi-Wan fanon of That Council Scene in TPM (you know the stuff, poor emotionally vulnerable Obi-Wan, cast aside/rejected/devastated by his coldhearted bastard of a master). I deleted it, because I realized that I had nothing at all constructive to say, except that it infuriates me more than any other piece of badly characterized fanon, in this fandom or any other. I'm generally pretty serene about differing fannish opinion, but this is the one big thing that sets me off without fail. I wish badly that the Jedi Apprentice books had never been written.
I get somewhat the same way about the whole "Daniel ascended because asshole!Jack shut him out/rejected him/devasted his delicate emotional state in Season 5 and he just couldn't take watching Jack canoodle with Sam anymore" thing in Stargate fanon, but to a much lesser degree of ire. Probably because it hasn't had five years to really piss me off. Yet.
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Speaking of my dual love of TPM and SG-1, I started on my J/D ficathon story last night. It was extremely unwise to sign up for it in the first place, considering I'm already rushing trying to get my TPM zine piece done by the end of the month, but fortunately, I respond well to pressure. I have my story idea -- fun, if not brilliant -- and I don't think it will take too, too long to write. Even for me. Even for smut. I hope.
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I accomplished approximately 1 and a half of my two goals for this past weekend. I did see Kill Bill, vol. 2 which totally rocked, and had a trailer for the new Jet Li movie that I'm really excited about. And while I did not master Premiere Pro (yet), I did get a decent book to use as a reference. Now I just have to stop collapsing into bed every night as soon as I get home so that I can actually use it.
This may be helped by the goal I accomplished without actually setting it in the first place -- Friday I joined Curves and am committed to going and working out at least two or three times a week. I hate paying money to do something I can do at home for free, but since I'm clearly not doing it at home, perhaps paying money will kick my butt into gear. It worked with the WWOnline, so there's hope.
I get somewhat the same way about the whole "Daniel ascended because asshole!Jack shut him out/rejected him/devasted his delicate emotional state in Season 5 and he just couldn't take watching Jack canoodle with Sam anymore" thing in Stargate fanon, but to a much lesser degree of ire. Probably because it hasn't had five years to really piss me off. Yet.
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Speaking of my dual love of TPM and SG-1, I started on my J/D ficathon story last night. It was extremely unwise to sign up for it in the first place, considering I'm already rushing trying to get my TPM zine piece done by the end of the month, but fortunately, I respond well to pressure. I have my story idea -- fun, if not brilliant -- and I don't think it will take too, too long to write. Even for me. Even for smut. I hope.
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I accomplished approximately 1 and a half of my two goals for this past weekend. I did see Kill Bill, vol. 2 which totally rocked, and had a trailer for the new Jet Li movie that I'm really excited about. And while I did not master Premiere Pro (yet), I did get a decent book to use as a reference. Now I just have to stop collapsing into bed every night as soon as I get home so that I can actually use it.
This may be helped by the goal I accomplished without actually setting it in the first place -- Friday I joined Curves and am committed to going and working out at least two or three times a week. I hate paying money to do something I can do at home for free, but since I'm clearly not doing it at home, perhaps paying money will kick my butt into gear. It worked with the WWOnline, so there's hope.
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Date: 2004-05-04 10:43 am (UTC)Nooooooooooo!!!
If you reeeeaaaally couldn't post it to m_a, you could have at least shared it here so we could all cheer, and then grump together and roll our eyes.
And don't blame JA - PoorWiddleObi existed before JA took off. For some reason unbeknonst to me, some people just love seeing their favourite character as a pathetic victim.
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Date: 2004-05-04 11:26 am (UTC)Yup. Daniel Jackson, Blair Sandburg, Harry Potter, Illya whatever-his-last-name-is... there are tons of examples. I don't get it either.
And, honestly, I thought the Obi-Wan in the JA books was pretty kick-ass. But some people took Qui-Gon's initial rejection as evidence for their much-abused-Obi theory and just went with it. Grrr.
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Date: 2004-05-04 11:53 am (UTC)Not to say the others are justified in any way, but Illya with this characterization amuses me the most. Daniel, Harry, Obi-Wan and Blair are all fairly serene characters, or at least striving to be serene. Illya worked for the Soviets in the 60's, and the GRU, and has been known to take a bit of perverse glee in violence and destruction he causes. He smirks and says, "Bon appetite" as a man is mauled by a wolf in front of him in canon. W.T.F.?
And, honestly, I thought the Obi-Wan in the JA books was pretty kick-ass.
*nod* I thought Obi-Wan was a guy of strong will and character. A wuss wouldn't have pursued Qui-Gon as a master, a wuss wouldn't have stood up for what he believes in when his mentor and greatest influence disagreed with him. As a kid! What kind of person does that kind of kid grow up to be? Not a wuss, that's for certain. If the council were still around by the time he were a master, he'd be on it. Or heading it. That sounds incredibly porny.
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Date: 2004-05-04 12:16 pm (UTC)I too have issues with that. I mainly am annoyed with the whole idea because it's very, "Oh, the one I love is cruel to me, I shall now slit my wrists in a fit of goth pique." Whereas the actual situation was more... "Oh shit, I'm dying of radiation poisoning... well, this whole ascension thing sounds like a better deal, anyway." I actually read a lot of that fic before I saw season five, and was quite surprised by the season itself... I didn't really see the Jack-is-such-a-bastard that everyone was on about. I saw Jack doing his job a lot, and maybe all of them being worn thin and brittle, but it wasn't like Jack was calling Daniel a big sissy-man and Daniel was going, "I hate you, I hate you, I hate you!" and stomping off to his room. I mean, c'mon. Grown men, here.
Plus, they're totally hot when they fight. I imagine the make-up sex is explosive. ;)
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Date: 2004-05-04 12:59 pm (UTC)Yes! And therein lies my problem. I too despise the whole Jack rejected him and Daniel went off to mope with the glowing octopuses motif. However, I like conflict between the two of them, and I love stories with conflict. So I tend to get sucked into reading some of those types of stories when it starts out with a lovely fight between the two. OTOH, the ones that start out with Daniel being left out of dinner plans are easy to spot.
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Date: 2004-05-04 02:43 pm (UTC)Just to draft/bits in place, dearie
(So glad you're still working on that.)
And yeah, the other thing that bugs me so much about this type of fanon, is that it is so disrespectful of Obi-Wan. I mean, I love Qui, but Obi is a strong character too. Anyone who can survive their entire Order being slaughtered around them is hardly Devastated!Obi-Wan kind of material.
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Date: 2004-05-04 04:59 pm (UTC)In other news, the only reason I'm currently glad for the J/D ficathon is that there will be a ton of new stories from several fantabulous writers such as yourself, and I can ignore the ones that suck, and all will be well. Yay.
I think I'm going to give in and write cliche fic I've been wanting to write for years. Why not? The hell with it. *g*
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Date: 2004-05-04 05:14 pm (UTC)I don't think Obi-Wan'd wait until he was old to start heading the Council. But then I've never minded Obi-Wan playing around on the side...
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Date: 2004-05-05 11:49 am (UTC)Yeah, and it's just as bad in other fandoms, too. But JA gave it some weird kind of canonical legitimacy in some people's eyes, it seems to me. Like, "Seeeeeee, Qui-Gon keeps rejecting him and rejecting him over and over since he was twelve! Which is why we write him like he still is twelve! That bastard!"
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Date: 2004-05-05 11:53 am (UTC)Personally, I preferred the Obi-Wan who was strong enough to leave Qui-Gon to do what he felt was right, and then a big enough person to admit that he had been wrong.
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Date: 2004-05-05 12:09 pm (UTC)I was also surprised when I finally got to watch the season, after reading so much about it. The friction is there, but it always seemed more to be Daniel chafing under the heavy yoke of the military and Jack knowing Daniel is unhappy, but not knowing what he can do about it other than try to get the job done. Worn thin and brittle is a good description of them in that season.
All of that, however, is their professional relationship. They still seem to be very close personally, they have their same good rapport when they aren't in active conflict, and Jack is still the one Daniel trusts and goes to at the end. Hot make-up sex must do wonders. *g*
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Date: 2004-05-05 12:10 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-05 12:15 pm (UTC)And it's totally disrespectful of Obi-Wan. Qui-Gon is an arrogant bastard, no doubt about it, but so is Obi-Wan. They come into conflict so often in the movie because Obi-Wan has no shyness about speaking his mind to his master, not because Qui-Gon makes a point of abusing him. Oy.
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Date: 2004-05-05 12:25 pm (UTC)Your point about the ficathon is quite valid. Even if the one written for me sucks, there will be others that don't, surely. Personally, I'm looking at it as low-pressure opportunity to play a bit with stuff I normally wouldn't. Cliche fic? Unrealistic scenarios? Bring it on! That's what these ficathon things are for, right? Right? *g*